RDS artist - title display on dynamic ps

[Cepreu]

Hello.
2 problems for me.
1) I got from playout system for example this record from file:
Jax Jones, Martin Solveig & Madison Beer & Europa - All Day And Night
when song was finished rds show me this text approx for 40 seconds on the next played song. I can see in the sent log, new one successfully sent to encoder yet. Any decision?

2) I'm using Word alligment in dynamic ps, but have some not good displayed line. For example: Christopher - Mamma mia. Magic rds cut first word:
"Christop"
"   her   "
etc.
Word scrolling for always - for us not good idea. Any decision?

[Jan]

1)

The encoder uses a queue for incoming dynamic PS text strings. Next text is displayed after previous reaches its end. You may configure the number of transmissions for each text. Usually, stations use following configuration: the song title repeats twice when the song starts, then a fixed station name appears until next song.

It is preferable to restrict the dynamic PS usage because this feature is not standardized and may be confusing for the user. Today you may use RT+ instead, the dynamic PS is obsolete.

2)

You probably missed some configuration options, especially:

Device Setup - Special Features - DPS Mode 2 Long Word Scrolling

If you enable this option, the word align mode will work as usual, except for words longer than 8 characters, these will scroll on the display.

[Cepreu]

1)

The encoder uses a queue for incoming dynamic PS text strings. Next text is displayed after previous reaches its end. You may configure the number of transmissions for each text. Usually, stations use following configuration: the song title repeats twice when the song starts, then a fixed station name appears until next song.

It is preferable to restrict the dynamic PS usage because this feature is not standardized and may be confusing for the user. Today you may use RT+ instead, the dynamic PS is obsolete.

2)

You probably missed some configuration options, especially:

Device Setup - Special Features - DPS Mode 2 Long Word Scrolling

If you enable this option, the word align mode will work as usual, except for words longer than 8 characters, these will scroll on the display.

Nice thanks.
Next questions:
1) I have in PS fixed station name. 1 external text source(artist-title) with 4 repeatings - after clear and I can see PS. But if I want add station frequ text, where I need correctly to add it, but for not showing 4 times like external text.
For example:
Artist - Title
Artist - Title
Artist - Title
Artist - Title
PS
PS
PS
PS
PS etc till next song renewing from external source

But I need
Artist - Title
Artist - Title
Artist - Title
Artist - Title
PS
freq
PS
freq
PS
freq
PS
freq

2) I can't find how to enter in configuration like in p132 encoder for using all function without PC. What is the way to to this?
Now encoder connected over ip:80 and i can see only light menu function like: Device Overview, Basic Settings, Advanced Options, Management, About Us
And no RDS Configuration at all.
Over port 5000 I'm conencted via Magic Rds4 now.
 

[Jan]

1) Put PS and freq into dynamic PS 2.

2) Only the P132 and P332 models included individual web based RDS configuration. These models are no longer in production.
For details, see the large comparison table here: https://pira.cz/rds/show.asp?art=rds_encoder_support#diff

[Cepreu]

Hi Jan. Periodically I have this text errors. This is from analyzer

[Jan]

Two different channels update the PS at one time. Turn off the Dynamic PS software encoder in Extensions.
Or the signal reception is insufficient (too weak). Unlike RT and RT+, the Dynamic PS requires 0% BER.

[Cepreu]

Two different channels update the PS at one time. Turn off the Dynamic PS software encoder in Extensions.
Or the signal reception is insufficient (too weak). Unlike RT and RT+, the Dynamic PS requires 0% BER.

Hi.
Analyzer received 100% signal.
Our encoder actions step by step:
1)In dynamic PS we have external source with nowplaying artist-title. 3 repeats, than clear. (the same rt,rt+)
2)PS station name (PS removing gave us clean string, thats not good)
3)After this dynamic ps2 shows station name and frequency. This action repeating until we receive new update in nowplaying file.
How to minimize BER ?

[Jan]

So what is the BER reading? RDS level? RDS Spy output directly in the Magic RDS? It's you who has all information.

[Cepreu]

So what is the BER reading? RDS level? RDS Spy output directly in the Magic RDS? It's you who has all information.

In attach.
BER reading from rds spy in FM scope from air.
RDS level is 2,7kHz. Transmitter is around 1m from Pira Analyzer.

One more error which is sequentially, but not all time:
11:37:00: CRUSH FM
11:37:05:  Block &
11:37:09: Crown   
11:37:13: Ma  kel
11:37:15: Telussa
11:37:19:  Sho  n
11:37:23: Me The 
11:37:26: Wa  To 
11:37:28: The     
11:37:31: Light   
11:37:38:   USH FM
11:37:42:   lock &
11:37:43: Crown &
11:37:46: Maickel
11:37:51: Telussa
11:37:54:  Showin
11:37:55: Me The 
11:37:59: Way To 
11:38:02: The     
11:38:05: Light   
11:38:08: CRUSH FM
11:38:14:  Block &
11:38:17: Crown &
11:38:22: Maickel
11:38:28: Telu  n
11:38:30:   ho  n
11:38:39:    The 
11:38:43: Th     
11:38:47: LiUSH FM
11:38:49: CRUSH FM
11:39:01: CRUS,6 
11:39:05:   USH FM
11:39:06:   88,6 
11:39:10: CRUSH FM
11:39:20:   88,6 
11:39:23: CRUSH FM
11:39:32:   88   
11:39:34: CRUSH FM
11:39:42:   88,6 

 

[Jan]

Thanks.

The BER around 60 % is catastrophic, no wonder the dynamic PS doesn't work properly.

This issue is no longer related to the dynamic PS configuration. It seems there's something wrong with your transmitter or connection because the BER must be 0 % unconditionally.
In past, a customer had similar issue, because he forgot to turn off the RDS encoder built in the transmitter so the signals overlapped. It would be also preferable to check for example if the analyzer is not overloaded (see the specs and signal quality indicator).

[Cepreu]

Till 60%, but not all of time
Its possible change number of repeating in DynamicPS depending of artist - title symbols length?
For example.
Song is 3min and in one situation "Riton & Nightcrawlers feat. Mufasa & Hypeman - Friday" can repeat only 2 times, but "Moby - Go" can repeat more times.

[Jan]

Time limit for display song info is already implemented in the Magic RDS.

In the External text sources / Text sources, each source has a parameter named 'Expires after [seconds]'. If you fill for example 30, that source becomes deactivated after 30 seconds, until next song.

The deactivation itself does not clear the text in the encoder. This can be done by establishing another source which will point to an empty file (or whatever you want).

EXAMPLE:

Dynamic PS 1
Enabled: Yes
Send on change: Yes
Sources: Source 1, Source 2

Source 1
File: your on-air file
Go to next after: 99999
Expires after: 30

Source 2
File: a file with default message or empty file
Go to next after: 5
Expires after: 0

[Cepreu]

Hello.
From nowplaying.txt we receiving Latin and Cyrillic symbols depends on songs. If I use text converter its work good.
It is possible in Dynamic ps using converted symbols Cyr-Lat, but for RT, RT+ using original Cyrillic symbols from nowplaying.txt without conversation?

thx

[Jan]

Cyrillic is not supported by currently applied RDS standard. The receivers support only 8-bit coding. There were special code tables defined in 80's (referred as E.2 and E.3) which include Cyrillic but they have never been largely supported in receivers and finally have been removed from the specification.