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P132, P164, P232(U) and P332 RDS Encoders / Re: Can't get RDS to display
« Last post by Jan on July 01, 2025, 08:23:05 am »
Program type assignment is different in the US, compared to rest of the world.

In the Magic RDS 4, select correct broadcast region in Options - Preferences - Local settings - PTY Coding

No such setup is required on the RDS encoders itself, as the PTY is actually a single number in range 0 to 31.
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P132, P164, P232(U) and P332 RDS Encoders / Re: Can't get RDS to display
« Last post by wyosmith on July 01, 2025, 01:45:06 am »
thank you for your help, not quite sure how it was turned off. didn't know it was possible, but it worked.
one more question, under music type my one setup had the different types of music, adult hits, classic rock,
oldies etc. but for this one it lists i.e. rock m, etc. not like the other one.  both are the same versions just didn't
know if there was a place to change it? thanks again
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P132, P164, P232(U) and P332 RDS Encoders / Re: Song data from Siman to the p232u
« Last post by Jan on June 30, 2025, 09:20:55 pm »
Simian tech support does not know how to setup their product to communicate with standard RDS encoder... Well.

A working setup for RT and RT+ is provided for example here: https://pira.cz/forum/index.php?topic=602.msg1970#msg1970

I'm not sure if Simian finally supports serial communication like other broadcast automation systems do. If only TCP/UDP communication option is provided, you'll need some kind of converter from TCP to serial. This can be realized either by commercially available hardware or by some software utility (for example Pira cz Remote COM Port) or by the Magic RDS 4 and its Virtual port feature.

https://pira.cz/show.asp?art=piracom
https://pira.cz/rds/show.asp?id=magic_rds_4
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P132, P164, P232(U) and P332 RDS Encoders / Song data from Siman to the p232u
« Last post by Boomerbar on June 30, 2025, 09:05:33 pm »
Simian tech had no idea how to complete this task and I am an equal amount of clueless.  Anyone who had experience in this able to offer some guidance?  Thanks!
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P132, P164, P232(U) and P332 RDS Encoders / Re: Can't get RDS to display
« Last post by Jan on June 30, 2025, 08:20:20 am »
I have been working in this field for over 20 years, but I would never dare to put any RDS encoder into operation without measuring the final FM modulation using an FM analyzer, to verify that the deviation caused by RDS has the desired value of about 3.5 kHz. Keeping the factory default RDS level may be incorrect in many cases, because each FM broadcast equipment requires different level. See the explanation in the manual.

From the group order provided by the RDS Spy, I guess the problem isn't actually that the output isn't working. I see no 2A groups, which means that only Radiotext was turned off. The Radiotext is just one of the RDS functions, if you turn it off, the RDS still goes on.

To enable the Radiotext again, go to the Terminal and type
Code: [Select]
RT1EN=1
*RT1EN
GRPSEQ=
*GRPSEQ
or use equivalent fields in the GUI:
RDS Content - Radiotext - Radiotext 1 Enable
RDS Content - System - Groups Sequence - Default
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P132, P164, P232(U) and P332 RDS Encoders / Re: Can't get RDS to display
« Last post by wyosmith on June 30, 2025, 05:06:44 am »
thank you for the response, i'm not getting any output according on the RDS spy, even though it says the texts etc on the events.  i don''t have an FM
analyzer, small potatoes.  the output level is at 2016 mV peak-to-peak and the subcarrier is 19.0 degrees. the weird thing it has been fine, then out of the
blue it stopped etc. short of getting an engineer up here to look at this, what if any advice or maybe deleting or reinstalling the setup for the 164?
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P132, P164, P232(U) and P332 RDS Encoders / Re: Can't get RDS to display
« Last post by Jan on June 29, 2025, 08:26:16 pm »
The P164 operates properly. Restarting your PC has no effect on the RDS operation. You may save your time and simply click on the RDS Spy button to see current RDS data. The P164 includes built-in RDS decoder which can be accessed that way even via Ethernet link.

I'm missing the RDS deviation value in your post, measured by an FM analyzer.

Recommended steps:
  • Check the RDS decoder data using the RDS Spy button
  • Check the RDS output level in Device Setup - Analog Control. There's no other 'secret' setting anywhere which can affect the RDS signal output.
  • Check the RDS deviation measured by your FM analyzer. This step cannot be skipped.
  • Check the FM transmitter or audio procesor setup, especially if appropriate RDS/SCA input is enabled
  • Disable all other RDS encoders, built in the FM broadcast equipment
  • Replace the BNC cable
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P132, P164, P232(U) and P332 RDS Encoders / Can't get RDS RT to display
« Last post by wyosmith on June 29, 2025, 08:06:05 pm »
I have have two 164 setup both were working three days ago, then suddenly one would not display any messages etc.
they are both setup the same way, i have checked and compared settings. i have restarted the computer etc and restarted
the magic rds. it's says its connected and below giving song titles etc but still nothing on the rds radio. the only
thing i have not tried it unplugging the receiving end of the rds from the processor 12 miles away. was hoping to save a trip
if there is something i am missing on this. 
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Configuration Options and Possibilities / Re: Setting up DJB Zones automation with a Pira P164 and Magic RDS4
« Last post by Jan on June 27, 2025, 12:14:08 pm »
In remote locations where TCP/IP link is not available, the P164 cannot be used directly. There are two options:
1) Use the P232U model instead, which is equipped with RS-232 interface so can be fed directly from a satellite link or another serial data source,
2) or add any commercially available serial to Ethernet adapter between the serial data source and the P164.

In the Magic RDS 4, the serial connection can be created similar way like existing TCP/IP links. Just select 'serial' instead of the 'TCP', then select the COM port and correct communication speed which must be equal on all devices across the serial channel (usually 9600 bps). Refer to the serial channel specification for details.

When you have several connections established in the Magic RDS 4, you may feed them using a single connection from the broadcast automation system (m4vp.pdf section 'Data Splitter for RDS Encoders') or using the External Text tool.
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Configuration Options and Possibilities / Re: Setting up DJB Zones automation with a Pira P164 and Magic RDS4
« Last post by Tom McGinley on June 27, 2025, 12:05:57 am »
Hello Jan. Thanks for your reply and assistance. We have one Pira P164 connected via IP from our DJB automation Air server on the same protected subnet. The P164 output is connected directly to a Nautel VS1 transmitter SCA/RDS BNC input. We are getting DJB ASCII metadata and default dynamic PS and RT rotating messages programmed into the P164. We have a Nautel V10 transmitter at a remote site that we need to send the DJB metadata to another P164 encoder there. A separate TCP/IP connection is not available so we presume an RS232 serial connection conveyed via a Comrex or Barix link may work. In order to do that, I presume we need to deploy the Magic RDS4 app on a DJB LAN connected machine to receive the DJB metadata and then feed both a TCP/IP connection from there to the VS1 transmitter and a serial connection to the V10 transmitter.  The manual shows a block diagram in section 6.3 of multiple transmitters connected from a PC running Magic RDS4 via TCP ethernet ports. But I do see any descriptions of how remote transmitters with a local P164 can be fed with serial data from Magic RDS4 running on a PC. Can you provide the detail on setting up that connection?
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